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I agree with 10splayer that Pat pretty much nailed it when talking about the lack of chest angle with women servers. So many do their knee bend as if they were getting ready to jump for a rebound, which really prohibits the limbo hip position, chest up posture, that Pat is endorsing. I would like to hear more from 10splayer about the pitfalls of overdoing this Pat endorsed serving posture. I have been watching Wawrinka serve in winning this week's pro tournament, and he is really on point with what Pat is saying. He really does not have a deep knee bend at all, and his hips are positioned as Pat demonstrates in his video.Last edited by stroke; 02-15-2015, 08:20 PM. -
A Wonderwall of great servers. The Royal Albert hall. http://youtu.be/Be0zUC4JeUUOriginally posted by don_budge View PostBill Tilden…
Don Budge and Gottfried von Cramm 1937 style
From 10splayer…Lew Hoad
Four beautiful service motions…Alex Olmedo, Barry McKay, Lew Hoad and Richard Gonzales.
Plus "for reasons unknown"…The Killers Live from The Royal Albert Hall
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The evolution of the service motion...
Bill Tilden…Originally posted by 10splayer View Post
Don Budge and Gottfried von Cramm 1937 style
From 10splayer…Lew Hoad
Four beautiful service motions…Alex Olmedo, Barry McKay, Lew Hoad and Richard Gonzales.
Plus "for reasons unknown"…The Killers Live from The Royal Albert Hall
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Originally posted by licensedcoach View PostAn amazing example of what PD refers to in his video "chest angle up" in the days of "foot-on-the-ground servers", is right here.
To a modern server it would likely feel very frustrating not being allowed to drive up off the ground...yet Gonzales could clock 125mph on his first serve. He must have been the exception. You would think most servers couldn't achieve those speeds when having to keep their foot on the ground. Driving up always feels like a big advantage to me.
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An amazing example of what PD refers to in his video "chest angle up" in the days of "foot-on-the-ground servers", is right here.Originally posted by 10splayer View Post
To a modern server it would likely feel very frustrating not being allowed to drive up off the ground...yet Gonzales could clock 125mph on his first serve. He must have been the exception. You would think most servers couldn't achieve those speeds when having to keep their foot on the ground. Driving up always feels like a big advantage to me.Leave a comment:
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It's a lovely, simple motion....Originally posted by licensedcoach View Post
Big caveat here, because Gordon goes out of his way to stress this..The lateral tilt (chest angle up) can be overdone, which comes at the expense of function and injury prevention...
But I think PD's basic assumption is a good one, in that the girls don't tend to tilt back and laterally well..which limits there ability to create racquet head speed and as PAT states, work a "broader work space" for the spins. Very few operate well under the conditions of a "left" ball toss.Last edited by 10splayer; 02-14-2015, 07:26 AM.Leave a comment:
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John's Analysis of Maria Scharapova's serve
Seems the central point relates to insufficient internal shoulder rotation as mentioned in Stumfel's article.
Also she does not twist her core and point her chest up towards the ball, which the men do. Women focus more on jumping up. Stosur and Serena are exceptions.
Martina Navratilova did it right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkqA_NvvnoU
or watch Martina and Sabatini, both serve beautifully: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSslLj_C7Yg
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