Andy Murray's Serve

[johnyandell]

It's an interesting point. His stance and use of legs could definitely be improved!

[tasbaron]

Great article. In looking at Andy's serve I also see three other possible issues.... He brings back foot up to the outside of front foot again not best loading mechanics. His leg drive is far less than other players at the top level. Comparing with Dartfish. Wondering if these are the causes of lack of internal rotation relative to the elite servers.

I agree with these points. The main problem with Andy's serve is that he DOESN'T LOAD UP BOTH LEGS properly in the trophy position. He is effectively rebounding off one leg only.

[stroke]

Oh good, I thought with Geoff\'s article and the return of Hockeyscout, my keyboard and I were short circuiting.

hockey just took it to a whole new level over on Geoff's Nadal steroid thread

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[johnyandell]

Ok.

[don_budge]

The Time...

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While you are at it John…the time is off on the forum as well.

[don_budge]

Repetition is the spice of life…for tennis players and golfers

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Just like gzpchus thread \"Great Service Motion\"…this is not the first time this has happened. Tennis and golf are games built on repetitive motions…this snafu should actually be comforting to those truly in love with these games. Repetition is a source of comfort…and solace. We love the security knowing that the same thing will produce the same result.

It does get a bit annoying though if you edit your post several times and you get into your thick skull and dull brain that the / thing will multiply every time you press that save changes button.

Andy\'s serve is ugly…no matter how you slice it.

[stotty]

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Ha ha thats funny.

No apostrophes then and keeping posts short with no punctuation seems to do the trick in getting rid of those funny lines

[johnyandell]

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[johnyandell]

Testing why the apostrophe\'s come out as //

[10splayer]

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Oh good, I thought with Geoff\'s article and the return of Hockeyscout, my keyboard and I were short circuiting.

[stotty]

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[10splayer]

Wow that\'s strange..Can\'t even edit that out.

[10splayer]

Great post...

Oddly enough a few of us were watching a 20 year-old young man this afternoon (high level player) do exactly what you say Murray does...rotating the arm too early. He serves mostly very flat. He also has grip leaning slightly toward the forehand side. Some of us thought if he led with the racket edge a millisecond longer it would make all the difference...plus the minor grip change would help. Another suggested taking the legs out of the serve a focusing purely on the arms...same as you suggest.

We see this quite a lot even with very good young players. They still have huge serves but an inability to create use spin in an effective way. John suggests focusing on wrist snap might be one cause. We thought over focusing on power might be another.

If I can video the young man\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s serve next time he plays for us in a couple of weeks, I will. You see exactly what I mean then.

Yup, the whole \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"loading\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" concept is starting to become blown out of proportion. It seems to be the answer to all issues. If I see another 3.5 woman \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"jump\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" up off the ground (on advice from a pro) and then \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"push\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" her arm thru the hitting zone, I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'m gonna scream. Or \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"corkscrew\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" themselves down into the ground and leap up to hit a forehand..It\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s becoming ridiculous.

Very rarely (in my experience) is a lack of ground reaction force the underlying issue in most strokes (as it relates to the kinetic chain) but rather, sequencing problems that produces major power outages.

And chiefly, that the hands and arms out race, and \"release\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" too early. What we see with good players is release, (or rotation) that occurs as late as possible without being \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"late\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\". It\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s one of real keys to speed and efficient kinetic transfer...

I keep coming back to FED, and I don\\\\\\\'t know if he creates the most amount of RHS. But I can tell you this..His input to output ratio is off the charts.

With most players i teach, this ratio is more what I\\\'m looking at..