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  • don_budge
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    Reposting this thread for a friend of mine. Take a look at posts 43, 44 and 47 for the analysis of the Federer serve comparison to the Murray serve. Also post 20 is interesting...Federer beats Djokovic.

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  • klacr
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    a few things worse perhaps. But when it's to a internet forum that I go to as a safe haven and chance to enjoy conversation, it puts a damper on things. I care more about what stotty and the rest of you say and your insights about the game than I do about how to make $5000 a week working from home.

    Kyle LaCroix USPTA
    Boca Raton

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  • don_budge
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    Originally posted by klacr View Post

    Seriously?! Please don't tell me this forum is going to be infiltrated by this spam.

    Kyle LaCroix USPTA
    Boca Raton
    Is there anything worse than being infiltrated by spam?

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  • don_budge
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    Originally posted by klacr View Post

    Seriously?! Please don't tell me this forum is going to be infiltrated by this spam.

    Kyle LaCroix USPTA
    Boca Raton
    The spam thing is annoying...but on the other hand Deweyfalsk brought a great thread back to life. I had a lot of fun with the Murray serve analysis which left John asking if I "wanna try summarizing in a few bullet points??". Posts #43, #44 and #47 if you have an hour or two.

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  • stotty
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    Originally posted by klacr View Post

    Seriously?! Please don't tell me this forum is going to be infiltrated by this spam.

    Kyle LaCroix USPTA
    Boca Raton
    Yes, well I have had two similar to this in my message box. So annoying. Someone ought to lock these people up - without a computer - and chuck away the key.

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  • klacr
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    Originally posted by Deweyfaisk View Post
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    Seriously?! Please don't tell me this forum is going to be infiltrated by this spam.

    Kyle LaCroix USPTA
    Boca Raton

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  • johnyandell
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    Guys thanks for all the thoughts on Andy's motion.

    DB--wanna try summarizing to a few bullet points??

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  • stotty
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    When I have watched the highlights of matches where Federer has beaten Djokovic, he played him differently to how he played him in yesterday's final. Tactically Roger was unlikely to win playing as did last night. Indeed it would need Djokovic to be off form for Roger to have beaten him. The court at the O2 is really slow. Many coaches I know, with good judgement about these things, said it was the slowest court they had witnessed at the O2. You cannot come to the net on a court that slow, you simply can't.

    I am in favour of changing the courts used for the tour finals on a yearly basis. Yes, why not clay? Why not grass? Acrylic courts are soulless and don't favour artistry in any way, shape or form. A drop shot has to be perfect to be viable, as do short angled balls or any kind of touch play.
    Last edited by stotty; 11-23-2015, 01:54 PM.

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  • klacr
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    Originally posted by don_budge View Post
    These match "stats" do not include net play. This game has crossed the line into the world of the absurd. More of tennis metaphoring life.

    http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/tourn...01/match-stats
    What net play? Wasn't a whole lot of net play to be proud of it during the match.

    Credit to Roger for attempting at times. Not nearly as often or with the best results. Sad when we have to give a tip of my cap to someone that just tries it.

    But if you want to beat Novak, you can't play his game. He's the best in the world for a reason. Djokovic has lost 6 times in 2015. 4 out of the 6 matches were lost to players who predominantly attacked/served and volleyed. Karlovic (1 time) + Federer (3 times) The other two (Murray + Wawrinka) had to play more aggressive than their normal comfort level and finish points at net.

    If everyone plays the same, it's easy for one player to dominate simply because they have the best of that narrow skill set. It takes someone with a new game, a new style, a skill that is superior and different that what is the norm.
    Start teaching your kids how to volley. And a serve would help as well.

    Kyle LaCroix USPTA
    Boca Raton

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  • don_budge
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    Absurd...

    These match "stats" do not include net play. This game has crossed the line into the world of the absurd. More of tennis metaphoring life.

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  • don_budge
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    It's How You Play the Game...

    Originally posted by klacr View Post

    Djokovic just pressures Federer so much.

    Not the spectacle we were all hoping for. Djokovic is so good he just sucks the life out of his opponents and the match and the viewers.

    Kyle LaCroix USPTA
    Boca Raton
    Yeah…interestingly enough he did it without going to the net one single time that I remember. Maybe he did…but basically he did it from the backcourt.

    He sucks the life out of the game as well. Of course it is not his fault and he is a fabulous athlete. But there is something fundamentally wrong with the game.

    Peter Fleming was touching a bit on Federer and questioning why he wasn't using the attacking tactics more often. He observed that perhaps Federer doesn't realize himself how uncomfortable he is making his opponents when he does attack.

    It looks to me that the Federer approach game has some fundamental work to be done also. Without using underspin he is hitting right into his opponents strength.

    Whenever he uses his slice to the Djokovic backhand it really seems to neutralize things. He should use a drive slice down the line after he has moved Djokovic short and wide on his backhand. Instead he just starts to drive the ball right back at Djokovic.

    Too bad he won't be around for long…at least not at this level for much longer. I don't see that he can sustain it against the younger legs of Novak. Amazing though he seems to be that much higher than the rest of the field though. There is Novak Djokovic…then there is Roger Federer. In that order.
    Last edited by don_budge; 11-22-2015, 10:51 PM.

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  • klacr
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    Clinical

    Djokovic just pressures Federer so much.

    Not the spectacle we were all hoping for. Djokovic is so good he just sucks the life out of his opponents and the match and the viewers.

    Kyle LaCroix USPTA
    Boca Raton

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  • stotty
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    Amazing last three games from Djokovic...just piled the pressure on.

    An incredible five consecutive points in that eight game by Roger. i will remember that forever...

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  • stotty
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    The eighth game of the second set is the best i have ever seen. The first three points by Novak were incredible, match by Roger then winning the next five points...amazing.

    The ninth game by Djokovic topped even the eight game....

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