Interactive Stroke Analysis Roscoe Tanner's Serve

[bottle]

Problem with the Dr. Ariel Gideon measurement is that there is nothing to compare it with. Where are other player measurements?

But that's the only problem with it. The real question is whether Roscoe Tanner's huge racket head speed is coming from the ground up or not?

[gzhpcu]

Problem with the Dr. Ariel Gideon measurement is that there is nothing to compare it with. Where are other player measurements?

[bottle]

Nice idea that the speed of the motion enforces a high standard for keeping the separate moves economical and in their place.

But here is one piece of economy that happened during this serve's conception, i.e., in its design phase.

The hit arm bends early as part of its lift. As unlike the serve of Pierre-Hugues Herbert as possibly could be.

It's high toss for me right now although I remain very curious about the Tanner serve, which means I'll try it once tonight whether I should or not.

[bottle]

I'm not sure. I just was thinking that if I ever attain a great serve I'll be encouraged and intoxicated enough to embark on a life of crime.

[stotty]

But remember all those foot-pounds of energy that Dr. Ariel Gideon measured going into and coming out of the ground, more than twice Roscoe's body weight and directly related to his prison term.

Yes I remember that video. I wondered how Roscoe's would compare with Roger's push off the ground?

I've lost track of Roscoe and what he is up to. Is he still in shackles or is he now a free man?

[bottle]

But remember all those foot-pounds of energy that Dr. Ariel Gideon measured going into and coming out of the ground, more than twice Roscoe's body weight and directly related to his prison term.

[stotty]

Amen.
Works for Roscoe and I. But I don't dare teach it nor do I recommend it for any player. A golden shoulder and timing that borderlines on ludicrous for most carbon based life forms are key ingredients.

Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton

Stotty, It is further indication that the biggest single power element in the kinetic chain is external/internal shoulder rotation.

It is. I can hit a serve off my stance in a standing position nearly as hard as when I involve my knees, etc. The problem is I have to muscle it down more because all the power is coming from one source. Power is easier to obtain if you maximise the full use of the kinetic chain.

I am not sure Tanner's second serve was all that. I think the big bonus of a more orthodox (or should I say conventional) serve like Roger's over Tanner's is the deeper knee-bend and subsequent leg drive works much better for delivering a kick second serve.

But like I said Roscoe's serve was quite magnificent, it's just not many (Klacr excepted) can do it.

[gzhpcu]

Stotty, It is further indication that the biggest single power element in the kinetic chain is external/internal shoulder rotation.

[klacr]

I like the split second timing of his serve and the way the motion identically repeats - it must, there is no time/margin for micro adjustments once the motion is underway.

When I try to mimic his action I find it incredibly arm-dependent. I prefer serves with deeper knee-bends where the load is spread more evenly along the kinetic chain...like Roger's. Roscoe must have had a strong, fast arm because I feel sure that's where a lot of his power came from, rather than driving up.

Roscoe's serve worked great for Roscoe, but don't try it at home.

Amen.
Works for Roscoe and I. But I don't dare teach it nor do I recommend it for any player. A golden shoulder and timing that borderlines on ludicrous for most carbon based life forms are key ingredients.

Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton

[stotty]

I like the split second timing of his serve and the way the motion identically repeats - it must, there is no time/margin for micro adjustments once the motion is underway.

When I try to mimic his action I find it incredibly arm-dependent. I prefer serves with deeper knee-bends where the load is spread more evenly along the kinetic chain...like Roger's. Roscoe must have had a strong, fast arm because I feel sure that's where a lot of his power came from, rather than driving up.

Roscoe's serve worked great for Roscoe, but don't try it at home.

[gzhpcu]

One more...

[gzhpcu]

I just bought a dvd of Tanner vs Dupre 1979 semifinal in Wimbledon. I am still fascinated by his no frills serve...

[gzhpcu]

More....Tanner vs Dupre

[gzhpcu]

Found this:

[stickman]

Here's my take... take it as u will. The human mind is incredible... the higher the toss the more likley you are to pick up something about the serve . More over the head, more to the right, ect... However the lower the ball toss the less time the brain has to process the information. (correct?) Iv'e herd a 110 MPH serve will ace anyone every time with good placement. So if you cant read it, and its accurate you cant stop it... So how were the old timers with wooden rackets acing everybody? They werent serving 130 MPH... but because of ther quick motions they didn't have to... You didn't know were it was going... PERIOD...