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Outward toward the opponent's side. It's moving on a curve but it is still moving in that direction.
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Ah, thanks for the explanation. That makes sense about the swing continuing to go up.
Can you explain which which direction is "outward"? The shoulders are turning through the shot so "out" from the body could mean toward the side fence at the beginning of the swing, but toward the net at contact.
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The main reason I have chosen it is that it works! But the extension of the swing includes the upward component--- which is to eye level. Usually that is also the point at which the racket is pointing furthest toward the opponent--because as it comes upward it is still traveling forward. With Rafa you sometimes see the extension happen before the hand crosses to the opposite shoulder--but even he comes to eye level at some point. You see something of the same tendency at times with Fed but less. But Fed and most double bend players make my extension position on most drives. If you truly master the position you will feel why. It creates the perfect combination of outward and upward. The image activates this. Of course there are variations but this is the basis. Technically the racket is slowed down so much by ball impact that after contact is all deceleration. But the racket slows most radically when it starts backwards in the wrap. The most common error I see with club players is breaking off the extension too fast. This position corrects that.
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Hi John,
Interesting here that you've broken down the forehand to two key positions. Keep it simple is usually a sound policy.
I'm interested to know why you have chosen the part of the forehand where the wrist is at eye level and crossed over the opposite shoulder as the extension position. It seems to me that this position is part of the release or follow through of the shot. Is there another position earlier in the shot where the hand is at it's most forward position, more in line with the path of the ball? I'm thinking mostly of Fed's straight arm forehand, where you can see the arm pointing almost straight ahead before the arm bends and the hand follows through toward the opposite (left) shoulder. Isn't that the maximum extension position?
thanks,
Peter
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Originally posted by tennis_chiro View Post
Regards,
-Bob
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As long as someone learns something it is a valid post. Let the learning begin. Visual imaging was the start of this thread and some great posts talked about it, it did meander, but these threads will often make a complete 360 and go back to its original idea, a natural cycle if you will. It may take time, or one greatest to wrap it all up.
The key images on this forehand series are instrumental in helping students, just like key images in all other strokes. We all have our own ideas on what the a great shot looks like and feels like, critical we get our students to see that or something similar that can get them there. We owe that to our students and owe that to ourselves.
Talk about forehands, talk about serves, talk about backhands and my beloved volleys. Just make it count and just like great strokes, don't stress on making it perfect, stress on making it purposeful.
Happy Holidays everyone
Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton
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Originally posted by licensedcoach View Post
This happens all the time. Threads nearly always end up meandering. You can always bring it back on track of course by posting your own thoughts on the original subject matter. I have done this many times when I feel a thread has gone off topic too early.
Stotty
So, please Slotty stop playing moderator, whining, complaining and trying to bring the orderly LTA approach to this board. It doesn't work, and it holds the stallions back. And, why would we want to do that? The posts here lately have been at a whole new level this board hasn't ever seen.
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Originally posted by dipperhitter View PostThis thread now has nothing to do with it's original purpose. Personally I don't care about Nastase's antiquated serve motion. I did learn a lot from watching Yandell boil the forehand down to a couple of images.
Stotty
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The Wind-up...and the Pitch. Thwack!
Originally posted by dipperhitter View PostThis thread now has nothing to do with it's original purpose. Personally I don't care about Nastase's antiquated serve motion. I did learn a lot from watching Yandell boil the forehand down to a couple of images.
Incidentally you are invited to read the thread that surrounded this service motion. It's quite good...I assure you. That is...if you enjoy serve and volley classic tennis.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4w...se-serve_sport
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This thread now has nothing to do with it's original purpose. Personally I don't care about Nastase's antiquated serve motion. I did learn a lot from watching Yandell boil the forehand down to a couple of images.
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Originally posted by don_budge View Post
Please read...pretty please.
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Ilie Nastase versus Arthur Ashe...1972 U. S. Open Finals
Originally posted by licensedcoach View Post
A decent serve...love the sound effects. Unusual the way he slopes back on his haunches, then slopes back a little more to kick the serve off.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4w...se-serve_sport
Stotty
The motion of Ilie Nastase is initiated with a little bounce of the hands and a very subtle and abbreviated forward press. A glimpse of whats to come. Is it a coincidence that his racquet is point directly at his target in his set up position. What a set up it is too. He comes to this exact same position every single time and gives it a single bounce and away he goes. Same with the second serve. He returns from his aborted trip to the net and swings the back foot into position just as he bounces the ball and without further ado...away he goes again.
The backswing is a beauty. He comes right down the line of his feet and his racquet is virtually dangling from his hand as it begins its ascent up the track. Keep in mind it is a track...as in the rollercoaster. Once his racquet gets to the very top of his motion his knees are bent in their fullest bend and together the racquet falls behind him as the legs begin to thrust upwards and forwards...the racquet is propelled into the loop behind him and it comes out of that loop with a vengeance...thus the resounding thwack!!!
He and Arthur Ashe are trading punches. This was such a great match...I wrote a thread about it.
Two fantastic finals in 1972 featuring Ilie Nastase. My role model in 1972. "Nasty".
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Originally posted by don_budge View PostA Little Bit More on the Service Game...
Thinking about what he was doing next and all the while knowing what he had done previously. These guys keep a book on all the batters they face. They try to analyze where they like the ball and where they don't like it. Then they pitch around the plate strategically.
Serving is much the same sort of challenge. Understanding your opponent and reading him like a book. It's great to be able to overpower guys but even more satisfying to outsmart them and frustrate them with your tactics. Stan Smith lays it out in just a few minutes. Three spins...three locations from which to serve from...four targets...two speeds. That is a lot of permutations and combinations.
The perfect motion. Gonzalez, McEnroe and Sampras...more or less "natural" motions. Ilie Nastase in the same vein. But Stan Smith himself wasn't such a natural it seems...or looks like. Yet when you look at his motion it is every bit as good as the "natural" servers. Every bit as effective. He gets his rollercoaster car on track and throws the ball on the track and voila...there you have it. One of the most effective serves of his era.
The perfect motion is attainable. Nice to have the gift of the natural motion but in his video Stan Smith, himself an example of the made man, shows us how to develop the repeatability and reliability in a swing if you one is not so naturally inclined.
One of my favorite Wimbledons...the dark horse loses. The Petulant One.
Look at the forehand volley at 5.12 to save match point. Nastaste really "collarbones" it.
Stotty
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When it comes to serving, plan your work and work your plan. Serving is the start of the point, choose wisely and the rest of the point can be manageable, start carelessly and you'll face the consequences. What starts in chaos ends in chaos. Don't start the serve in chaos.
Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton
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