Interactive Forum January 2017: Do You "Carve" the Deuce Serve Wide? Borna Coric

[johnyandell]

Kruger,
Snap--the term that will never die...

[bottle]

The External Shoulder Rotation, so extreme and so high, concludes way up there before the Internal Shoulder Rotation kicks in.

[kruger]

I do wish that another term was in fact terminated: wrist snap! There is no such thing as a "wrist snap"...it's called pronation!
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[gzhpcu]

Isn't it thinking to hit up and across the ball? The angle of approach differs slightly between wide and down the line. The height of impact affects the spin: lower - more topspin, higher - more sidespin.

I agree with timing. I tell my players, to hit up the T try just pulling your toss arm down harder. I used to think this just changed the direction of the swing, but it might just speed up the timing, leaving the rest of the serve alone. Try it! - High School Coach

many people believe it is the wrist snap that adds power that is not true it is the inward rotation of shoulder and arm that adds much of the power.i think for a wide serve as kyle says is the slight delay of the rotation of the arm.
Jack Foster, USPTA Master Pro

[sjhara]

I think this gets to the heart of coaching and teaching tennis. We use words and metaphors
and images to describe how a tennis action moves, what it looks like, what it feels like.
Some of these come from other sports, in the US it is often baseball. So we get descriptions that are related to fastballs and curve balls and a baseball player’s use of the wrist, which is not a tennis player’s use of the wrist.

This is also combined with the toss-for example toss more to the right and then carve or peel around the outside of the ball.
As has been described in other articles on Tennisplayer the toss actually moves from right to left (which in itself precludes a carving action) and the hand action is actually in to out, as can be seen in this wonderful slow-motion of Coric’s serve.

So what is the new language, the new image that conveys the movement on a serve, that conveys what it feels like?

[johnyandell]

That's what i think and it also increases usually the left to right component in the upward swing which further diminishes power.

[stotty]

I say harm...

I what way? I am assuming it inhibits the unitary rotation of the hand arm and racket?

Stotty

[johnyandell]

I say harm...

[stotty]

Carving round the ball is a term that has been used in coaching for donkeys years. The question to ask, of course, is has it done any harm? Or is it a coaching myth that worked over the years despite its incorrectness?

Stotty

agree with Kyle

[klacr]

T Serve: more internal shoulder rotation earlier and shoulders stay turned an extra fraction.
Wide Serve: Shoulders open earlier and less internal shoulder rotation.

Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton

Yes it sure is a minuscule adjustment even in slow motion. Thanks

[johnyandell]

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