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I usually do one handed forehand grip changes at the last second on drop shots or extreme angle shots. I've seen pros do slight one hand grip changes at the last second on both fh and bh. Can anyone point to archival footage where you have seen this?
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Originally posted by doctorhl View PostThoughts anyone about increasing speed on grip change to one handed backhand? Are both hands equally involved in grip change as a rule? Do any pros with a semi or Western turn the racket in the other direction for grip change(hitting same side of racket for fh & bh). What about practicing one hand grip changes for those instances in which you are delayed in getting the non dominant hand on the racket?
Hands equally involved? Of course...as well as the shoulders, legs and feet. Turning the grip with your feet? Partially. It is the whole unit turning towards the ball that turns the racquet in the hands.
The control of the racquet head starts perhaps at the sternum and radiates outwards in the process of the backswing. I was working on this Swedish gal's backhand and I was telling her to change her grip. She stood there and was just manipulating the racquet head with her hands. I asked her five times to change her grip. She had no idea what I was asking her to do. I was looking for her to turn towards the ball and using the turn to change her grip. The left had merely sets the position of the racquet head in the beginning of the backswing and then in the same process the body is turning.
Somewhere along the way you decide whether it is a slice or a drive. Or perhaps it happens before the backswing. This is what I love about the one hand backhand. The flexibility to do whatever you want to do with it.
I don't think it is imperative to drive back big driving backhands against monster serves. I would recommend getting the ball in play first of all and secondly concentrating on depth...or lack of depth (hitting short and low). There is no shame in slicing in the attempt to neutralize the serve and the subsequent reply. Roger Federer's drive backhand used to come up woefully short so often when he was attempting to drive a return...it has improved with the new equipment and possible grip change. He is just as well off blocking the ball deep and working his way into the point. It's the percentage move more often than not.
I watched a bit of his match with Nick Kyrgios at the Laver exhibitions. He did a lot of slicing and to nice effect. He was having problems timing his drive. He actually let out a couple of yells. The Federer/Kygios matchup turns out to be one of the more entertaining in the game now...if not the most entertaining.
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Good comments on grip change. I like the spring loaded idea. For me, the grip change doesn't completely settle in until arm starts to move forward. I can't seem to change to bh grip on an offensive serve return fast enough to do it completely by end of unit turn.
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A Simple Idea Can Be A Good Idea
Tennis requires a lot of physical attributes but also the ability to assimilate a bunch of different ideas.
And the best idea often is the simplest one. Sometime the idea is just a suggestion-- take it or leave it.
That's what I feel about tennis_chiro's notion of starting forward action of one's one hander while flying grip change is still carrying racket head momentum backward.
Some people no doubt think in terms of getting "very collected" between going backward and the going forward-- the perfect audience for tennis_chiro's suggestion to try something a bit different.
Anyway, I may have tried this before but will try it again.
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Originally posted by tennis_chiro View Post
Sorry, Stotty. I'm getting too old. Don't remember that one.
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Originally posted by tennis_chiro View Post
Can't tell you how great it is to see Bottle understood exactly what I was trying to say. I would say one more thing about the quick return of serve.
With the Flying Grip Change, you can almost start pulling forward with the right hand before the left hand has finished pulling back; this makes the return seem almost spring loaded. But the habit has to be really strong to be able to do that returning first serves effectively. But if the habit is put in early enough that it is instinctive, even a lower level player can return serve with a grip change. It doesn't take more time to change the grip if it happens while the left hand is pulling the racket back. On top of that, the pull of the left side on the right shoulder creates a minor SSC on the muscles of that right shoulder that makes you a little stronger in the backhand swing. It's not really an SSC, but it has a similar effect.
donLast edited by stotty; 09-27-2017, 07:58 AM.
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Originally posted by stotty View Post
Yes I think remember you talking about getting SSC on the backhand return on the forum once before, and getting a 'spring loaded' effect returning high, kicking serves. Oddly enough, I tried to find that post some time ago but couldn't locate it. I seem to remember you talked about creating a delay, deliberately leaving the ball late, which helped create the spring loaded effect. Do you remember writing post like that or did I dream about it in my sleep?
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Originally posted by tennis_chiro View PostI have one other "theory" about the 1hbh grip change. Assume a right hander: if the right hand and arm push the racket back in the grip change and initial backswing, then momentum of the right arm and racket are generated away from the ball and will have to be overcome to reverse the motion and swing the racket forward. Under the time stress of returning a big serve, this can be a problem. My "theory" is that when you pull the racket back with the left hand, as the grip change is accomplished and the right hand is pulled into an "inside" position, the right shoulder and arm can reverse the direction of the swing without having to overcome the momentum of the right arm which makes it possible to return big serves with a backhand drive as opposed to only a chip. I wasn't quick enough or good enough to pull this off very often on first serves, but partly because of this technique, I was able to be relatively devastating returning kick serves while moving forward in doubles play. I particularly liked playing the inside-out backhand return from the deuce court in doubles and if I so chose, I could eviscerate the poor netman in front of me as well. But I couldn't have done it without the use of the left hand to pull the racket back as the grip change was accomplished. In addition, this movement creates a little bit of an SSC in the right shoulder that i think is critical to generating maximum effortless power on the 1hbh. I don't like the model that Gordon has postulated to be a mirror stroke to his ATP-type forehand with the racket head waving around from the wrist - it's too complicated and wristy. You get a much better and effective SSC from the back of the right shoulder.
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I have one other "theory" about the 1hbh grip change. Assume a right hander: if the right hand and arm push the racket back in the grip change and initial backswing, then momentum of the right arm and racket are generated away from the ball and will have to be overcome to reverse the motion and swing the racket forward. Under the time stress of returning a big serve, this can be a problem. My "theory" is that when you pull the racket back with the left hand, as the grip change is accomplished and the right hand is pulled into an "inside" position, the right shoulder and arm can reverse the direction of the swing without having to overcome the momentum of the right arm which makes it possible to return big serves with a backhand drive as opposed to only a chip. I wasn't quick enough or good enough to pull this off very often on first serves, but partly because of this technique, I was able to be relatively devastating returning kick serves while moving forward in doubles play. I particularly liked playing the inside-out backhand return from the deuce court in doubles and if I so chose, I could eviscerate the poor netman in front of me as well. But I couldn't have done it without the use of the left hand to pull the racket back as the grip change was accomplished. In addition, this movement creates a little bit of an SSC in the right shoulder that i think is critical to generating maximum effortless power on the 1hbh. I don't like the model that Gordon has postulated to be a mirror stroke to his ATP-type forehand with the racket head waving around from the wrist - it's too complicated and wristy. You get a much better and effective SSC from the back of the right shoulder.
don
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Originally posted by bottle View PostFlying Grip Change
No, you really just loosen the fingers of your hitting hand and pull with your other hand as part of your initial move. But you've taught yourself to recognize the grip you want. I use hitting thumb for my reference. Do you turn the racket? If so, a minuscule amount and it's unconscious. And you keep on using the left hand more even than the right hand as has been pointed out. Very quick and efficient freeing you up to do other things. From an extreme forehand grip I guess you'd have to turn something in addition to pulling back. The less of a change required the better, and I agree with Stotty that no change at all is best, but I need a strong eastern backhand grip for the topspin drives I want. The next question is how much thumb behind the handle (or lack thereof) is best, and everybody is all over the map on that one.
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Flying Grip Change
No, you really just loosen the fingers of your hitting hand and pull with your other hand as part of your initial move. But you've taught yourself to recognize the grip you want. I use hitting thumb for my reference. Do you turn the racket? If so, a minuscule amount and it's unconscious. And you keep on using the left hand more even than the right hand as has been pointed out. Very quick and efficient freeing you up to do other things. From an extreme forehand grip I guess you'd have to turn something in addition to pulling back. The less of a change required the better, and I agree with Stotty that no change at all is best, but I need a strong eastern backhand grip for the topspin drives I want. The next question is how much thumb behind the handle (or lack thereof) is best, and everybody is all over the map on that one.
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Originally posted by doctorhl View PostThoughts anyone about increasing speed on grip change to one handed backhand? Are both hands equally involved in grip change as a rule? Do any pros with a semi or Western turn the racket in the other direction for grip change(hitting same side of racket for fh & bh). What about practicing one hand grip changes for those instances in which you are delayed in getting the non dominant hand on the racket?
Alberto Berasategui used the same face of the racket for both forehand and backhand. A guy at my tennis club does too.
I have never seen a player do a one-handed grip change though I am sure many have done it in emergency situations. In this scenario my solution works best. I use a continental grip and don't change my grip one iota for any shot I play.Last edited by stotty; 09-26-2017, 01:20 PM.
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Thoughts anyone about increasing speed on grip change to one handed backhand? Are both hands equally involved in grip change as a rule? Do any pros with a semi or Western turn the racket in the other direction for grip change(hitting same side of racket for fh & bh). What about practicing one hand grip changes for those instances in which you are delayed in getting the non dominant hand on the racket?
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Originally posted by arturohernandez View PostInteresting! Why don't you post a video of his two hander. The only tricky thing is timing. I realize that people can get away with all kinds of things. But it seems that there is always a reckoning with some opponent or condition that exploits the even the tiniest of flaws.
Then again hitting a different ball is also helpful in that people don't know how to deal with it.
In any case, it would be cool to see the two hander and then to see the one and two hander side by side and synched if possible.
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Interesting! Why don't you post a video of his two hander. The only tricky thing is timing. I realize that people can get away with all kinds of things. But it seems that there is always a reckoning with some opponent or condition that exploits the even the tiniest of flaws.
Then again hitting a different ball is also helpful in that people don't know how to deal with it.
In any case, it would be cool to see the two hander and then to see the one and two hander side by side and synched if possible.
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Originally posted by arturohernandez View Post
I agree with all the other comments people have made. The main thing I see here is a big difference between how the two hander and one hander finish the stroke after contact.
Right now it is almost as if your son is hitting a two hander with a one handed finish at the end.
I used to do a similar thing with my finish. The problem is the timing has to be perfect.
If your son is just a bit too much to the right or left at contact the ball will go in an unintended direction.
There are some really nice videos of Wegner (sorry John!) having people just practice the up and down motion of the one handed backhand.
To me this is really important for the one hander. Basically, to try and stay in the line of the shot as long as possible.
This would create a more upward movement that will lead to the high finish that is characteristic of the one hander.
You could just ask him to finish up above his head more in order to exaggerate the motion.
Right now he is coming around the ball. The real test would be to have him hit this stroke on a clay court after an hour of play.
On clay in the club world (not the pro world) the ball can have all kind of irregular bounces.
I used to miss my backhand on clay all the time.
I had to learn to really stay in the line of the shot as much as possible.
This, in turn, improved my backhand on hard courts.
Hope that is clear and no too repetitive.
My son is in love with the idea of a one-hander. He isn't doing too badly at his first attempt. The problem is, is his two-hander is so secure that I doubt when it comes to matches, he would truly want to make the switch. But it is certainly fun to try, to experiment....ask bottle.
Actually he tends to hit across the face of the ball more than around it (some of those backhands have an inside-out spin on which is tough to detect in the clips), and he really doesn't get the racket beneath the ball enough to produce adequate topspin. But his two-hander is a little the same. Rather like Tomic, my son doesn't lower the racket too much and tends to hit quite flat, which is terrific if you have ball control good enough to do that.
Clay would certainly be the ideal surface to develop a one-hander, or any ground stroke come to that.
I think John Craig had some good advice about the footwork for a one-hander. I dug out his 7 minute video article on that one. It's good.Last edited by stotty; 09-19-2017, 01:21 PM.
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