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  • #16
    Originally posted by don_budge View Post
    Good action on the volley...nice and simple. Left foot meets the ground precisely at the same time the ball is meeting the racquet.

    I watched the serve many times. I feel that you have the proper physique and a nice combination of flexibility and strength to hit a nice serve. All that is lacking is the motion...the right mechanics. See how the left hand goes up immediately with the toss. Down together, up together.

    How adaptable are you to change?

    Maybe a spot of HGH wouldn't hurt either. I like the sound of the birds singing in the background.
    why down together, up together? gonzales didn't do it? what is HGH?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by blake_b View Post
      Interesting article about the state of Serve and Volley Tennis

      http://essentialtennis.com/spotlight/2011/05/313/

      I find it a little sad that serve and volley tennis seems to be a dying art, at least at the pro level.

      I have been using the serve and volley pretty successfully at the 4.0 NTRP level. I am aspiring to eventually get to the 4.5 level. Does anyone have any experience with successfully serving and volleying at this level?

      Blake
      great article
      brought a tear to my eye
      to answer your question at 4.0 -4.5 serve and volley and especially all court tennis will work.jmho

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      • #18
        Re # 6, what happened to Olof? Was he caught in a shoe lace in a shoe store and so missed his starting time? Or is it simply that, because of all the socialism, the standard of living has dropped so low in Sweden that nobody can afford new shoes?

        Now, Steve, you say you want to write, but your writing is too personal. We publishers seek a more homogenized kind of writing-- something more boring, actually, along the lines of a shop/sex manual, and we'd like to know if you are the 25-year-old son that John McEnroe was talking about during French Open coverage yesterday, the one who is attending the Columbia University Graduate School of Writing and possibly has an excellent book for sale?

        Additionally, we believe it isn't enough that you tell us about Olof, which couldn't be his real name anyway, but you must, you simply must tell about hitting with J. Donald Budge and Aaron Krickstein because celebrity is all.

        Well, this is Bottle speaking now, and I have to say, I was practicing my serve when out of nowhere a tall, lithe Lithuanian lady opened the gate and stepped into my space, and Lithuania is close enough to Sweden to be dangerous, and I would avoid all Hungarians.

        About Olof-- by using that name you mean to imply that he is "a stupid Swede," right? I'm glad you won his match for him, and I'd say, don't feel bad about beating up on a 15-year-old. I'm 71 and recently, in a board game, beat a 7-year-old of Czech extraction who regularly beats his father. Pinned his queen, I did.

        Afterwards, I started to feel guilty, too, especially since, when I wasn't looking, he went to his father, our host, and cried.

        It's hard though when you haven't played chess in 18 years to throw the game.

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        • #19
          Watch very carefully

          Originally posted by gzhpcu View Post
          why down together, up together? gonzales didn't do it? what is HGH?
          Phil,
          Be careful with that. gonzales actually does drop both hands and then lift them, but he only drops the right hand a couple of inches. But by the time his shoulders reach about 45 degrees (6 clicks after the ball leaves his hand and 9 clicks before we see the ball leaving the racket face), he is in an almost classic down-and-up rhythm; he is just comes into the trophy position with a little more racket head momentum because the right hand is trying to catch up for where it lagged just a little bit as the left hand started up. But remember to look at up and down relative to a horizon of the shoulder level, not pure horizontal. Viewed through that perspective, there is also less of a "staggered" nature to even Sampras's rhythm.



          But watch very carefully. You will see a little lag, but Gonzales's hands do move down together and up together; just not exactly; there is a little lag on the part of the right hand. If someone is trying to model this motion, I encourage them to keep the hands synchronized; the difference, then, from the classic down together-up together is that the down part is very shallow. But I strongly suggest you try to keep those hands synchronized …as Gonzales's become about 6 clicks before ball contact. His "stagger" is actually very subtle.

          don

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          • #20
            He sure never squeezes the two halves of his arm together. That's what's discouraging to me.

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            • #21
              What I never understood is why the arm should go down, then up, and not just up...
              Doesn't seem like a core fundamental to me....

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              • #22
                Forward press...

                Many golfers make a little move before they actually initiate their swing called a forward press. It sort of helps get things in motion from a static position...for rhythm's sake. Your inner Gonzales won't necessarily be identical to the real Gonzales...just a facsimile. It's all about you, Phil.
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                • #23
                  The linchpin

                  Originally posted by gzhpcu View Post
                  What I never understood is why the arm should go down, then up, and not just up...
                  Doesn't seem like a core fundamental to me....
                  Whatever rhythm a server adopts (and I have some that I prefer over others, but that's less important), he must synchronize the "rock" of his weight transfer whether it is front to back to front (Agassi, Newcombe, Smith or my favorite: Stich), or back to front (Sampras) or whatever; he must synchronize the rhythm of that rock with the action of his hands in the toss. It is that "rocking motion" that hold the whole thing together. The server must be able to repeat it perfectly and indefinitely; otherwise the serve will break down under pressure.

                  This was a large part of the problem Sharapova was having with her abbreviated motion. Obviously, an abbreviated motion works great for Roddick and Gonzales and Nadal (I don't think it is any easier on the shoulder as is quoted for the usual reason for adopting it, but that's another story); but their rhythms are absolutely perfectly repeatable. When Sharapova switched to the short motion for a while, she lost the synchronization of her hands with the weight transfer and she was lost. She is almost back to where she started now.

                  Gonzales's little move with his hands gave him the synchronization that he needed between his hands and his rock; it "fit". Be sure your motion fits your motion to the rhythm of your "rock".

                  don

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by gzhpcu View Post
                    OK Steve and Don,
                    I am going back to serve and volley....
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY0u59ArtoI

                    Don't have to run as much...
                    was this from monte carlo or rome??

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                    • #25
                      Traditional thoughts...

                      tradi’tion n. body of beliefs, facts, etc., handed down to generation to generation without being reduced to writing; process of handing down.

                      There is a book...I don’t suppose any of you have read it. There wouldn’t be any reason for you to. Nobody reads books anymore. We read blogs. We play video games. We watch television. We try to amuse ourselves. But anyways...the book’s title is “The Golden Bough” by Sir James George Frazer. Time magazine wrote that ““The Golden Bough” describes our ancestors’ primitive methods of worship, sex practices, strange rituals. Disproving the popular thought that primitive life was simple. Revealed is the evolution of man from savagery to civilization. From the modification of the weird and often bloodthirsty to the entry of lasting moral, ethical, and spiritual values.”

                      I came across this book while watching the movie “Apocalypse Now”. Remember the old Vietnam war movie starring, among others, Marlon Brando...it was one of his most memorable roles in the twilight of his career. The movie itself is an adaption of an old novel by Joseph Conrad called “Heart of Darkness”. Brando, in the movie, plays a character whose name is Col. Kurtz and he is targeted to be assassinated by his own army, by a character who is played by Martin Sheen. In one of the epic moments in this film the Brando character is deathly ill, with perhaps a combination of malaria and his own delusional, paranoid thoughts and not least of all, the wounds that Martin Sheen has inflicted upon him...he is laying in his crude and filthy room dying, bleeding to death, whispering over and over, “the horror, the horror, the horror...” During the scene the camera shoots a shot of his bedside nightstand with a stack of book on it. It was here that I found this book.

                      Col. Kurtz is an epic character, both in the book and in the movie. This type of man exists in many of our own hearts when we begin to evolve and perceive the darkness that surrounds us. Watching the movie and reading the novel...I was curious as to where a man such as this acquired his thoughts, his perspective on life, and that is why I froze the screen of the movie and made a list of the books and attempted to glean from them what it was that compelled this man to behave the way he did. I wanted to understand Col. Kurtz. Men say strange things on their death beds...Kurtz was repeating “the horror” over and over. What will I say on my own death bed...”the Prince, the Prince...”? I don’t know, but I doubt it.
                      Last edited by don_budge; 05-24-2011, 09:45 PM.
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                      • #26
                        I just happen to read too Steve....a part of my library...

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                        • #27
                          I can see the title of just one book, "Galaxies". Is there no end to you enquiring mind, Phil?
                          Stotty

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                          • #28
                            Don Quixote...

                            Please indicate where "Don Quixote" resides in your library. Is that a naked woman in the upper right hand corner? Hmmm...I will bet you that bottle is a great reader too. I would love to see his library.

                            Jag är bara nyfiken, gul. I am just curious, yellow.
                            Last edited by don_budge; 05-25-2011, 01:28 AM.
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                            • #29
                              Next to my Walter Scott and Alexander Dumas novels....

                              Last edited by gzhpcu; 05-24-2011, 10:38 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by licensedcoach View Post
                                I can see the title of just one book, "Galaxies". Is there no end to you enquiring mind, Phil?
                                Just started Brian Greene's latest, "The Hidden Reality"....

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