Doing Your Own High Speed Video Analysis Simply and Inexpensively

[johnyandell]

Kelsey,

You can download the Tennisplayer.net clips but you can't upload them to utube due to filming restrictions. It's fine to share them with students by email or on a disc or stick.

I use a new card for every session with every student. If you do a lot of filming this makes the organization simpler.

John Yandell

[jasonfrausto]

Settings tutorial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xtB1OI-rlU

[kelseypup]

sd card

Or is it best to just buy sd cards and have each tennis student have their own sd card?

[kelseypup]

youtube

Yes that helped. Another question though, is there a website like youtube that allows you to upload slo-motion videos and then share them? My tennis students were asking and I haven't found the answer yet.

I do see some slo-motion videos on youtube with great clarity.

[johnyandell]

FH 100? Does that have manual settings controls? Sorry I can't keep them all straight.

What I do with Casio FH25 is bump the ASA way up, set the frame rate at 120fps and gradually experiment with the shutter. For club players you'd like to keep the shutter at 1/800, but 1/500 will let you see fairly well.

Let us know what you find out.

[kelseypup]

indoor filming settings

Hi, what settings do you use to film indoors with the Casio fh100? Just trying to get my setup perfected. Thanks in advance for any tips.

[ggerman]

Hello all,

Just wanted to add another old Casio camera to the list. I got a used Casio FC-150 for ~$80, and to my surprise it could be set to manual exposure! 120/240/420 fps, shutter to 1/40000.

Greg

[seano10s]

casio

You can find some deals on ebay for the casio cameras. I already own the fh100 but was able to get a fh 20 for under $260.Just have to get lucky with your timing.

[johnyandell]

Would be 30 frames though. Still with the shutter could be useful.

[jasonfrausto]

This could be it......

Nokia Lumia 1020

http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/nokia-lumia-1020.html#fbid=yNA3zM_6sPW

http://storage.afterdawn.net/nokia-lumia-1020.pdf

The 41-megapixel Pureview sensor includes optical image stabilization, 6-lens Zeiss optics, and a xenon flash, making it the centerpiece for the rear of the phone. It can shoot still images at 38-megapixel in 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratios. At the same time as it captures the high-resolution images, it also takes an oversampled 5-megapixel image using the sensor that can then be easily shared thanks to its smaller file size.

The Lumia 1020 supports 1080p video capture, complete with 4x zoom and up to 6x at 720p. Nokia is releasing a Pro Camera app with the Lumia 1020 to take advantage of the sensor and manually adjust flash, focus, ISO, white balance, shutter speed, and exposure.]

Available July 26 for $299 from AT&T

[boxer]

Would this camera be any good for replacing the Casios??

"Fujifilm FinePix HS50EXR" -- a quick read of the manual says it does NOT automatically set focus, exposure or white balance during high speed recording (although it doesn't totally make it clear that you have control to change it yourself). Seems to do 120fps at VGA resolution.

[boxer]

You can go on ebay or amazon and look up casio fh100 camera and find the USB cable...

I should have one in a few days -- thanks again!

[seano10s]

USB cable - fh100

Boxer -

You can go on ebay or amazon and look up casio fh100 camera and find the USB cable, costs no more than $10. The small port attaches to the side of the camera, larger end in laptop.

[jasonfrausto]

Thanks for the reply!

I should perhaps have been clearer -- I'm trying to watch myself with the camera so hand holding it won't do it when I don't have a helper -- yes, I'm using a tripod most of the time

I guess I need to go buy a USB cable for the camera -- it's a non-standard socket it seems. Part of my frustration doing things on court is that right now I have to remove the SD card from the slot on the bottom to move video to the laptop but that's blocked by the screw-in tripod mount so it's a big fuss to do that. So I've mostly been watching the small screen playback on the camera but it's less fluid to control and small imagery for my aging eyeballs.

Thanks also for the V1 pointer. Hadn't found that -- as you say, looks very economical. I notice also that their site offers a USB "webcam" style camera that can do 100FPS -- that doesn't sound like a lot but combined with apparently very VERY fast shutter speeds that rate might be enough to see most of what counts(?). $800 though.

I also saw similar camera performance claims here: http://www.golfcoachsystems.com/stor...undles.htm.php for perhaps a shade less cash. I wonder what the experts think of using this type of camera versus the regular cameras that capture footage that you download later. Seems like the latter would be needed anyway if you are filming pro's at a tournament but the webcam deals might work better for instant playback on court for coaching scenarios??

I've also been playing with a demo of Motion Pro (http://www.motionprosoftware.com/) -- one of the attractions to me there is that it seems to have a hands off mode where you can set the software to cycle between recording and playback -- set it into record, hit a shot or two, stop and review on the laptop, rinse repeat. I was thinking about that as a means to taking the download/card shuffling element out of the mix to get more time hitting and reviewing per unit wall clock time (if you see what I mean).

Anyone have experience or comment on trying to use webcam type cameras with capture/playback software as a useful self-coaching thing??

[FWIW, I'm a tech industry person by day so all the camera/computer stuff is easy for me and I have access to useful toys in that regard. It's the tennis part that's the tricky bit for me!! I'm definitely more "mechanic" than "magician" being an engineer by training -- hence my fascination with this topic ]

I've been a MotionPro/MotionView user for years. I would highly recommend MotionView. Very affordable, the version I have (Elite) allows for analysis of 8 videos at once, but the most I typically use is 4. David Hill (owner) is also great in answering any questions and the price is excellent. Link below.

http://www.allsportsystems.com/store_images/store.htm.php

[boxer]

Thanks for the reply!

I should perhaps have been clearer -- I'm trying to watch myself with the camera so hand holding it won't do it when I don't have a helper -- yes, I'm using a tripod most of the time

I guess I need to go buy a USB cable for the camera -- it's a non-standard socket it seems. Part of my frustration doing things on court is that right now I have to remove the SD card from the slot on the bottom to move video to the laptop but that's blocked by the screw-in tripod mount so it's a big fuss to do that. So I've mostly been watching the small screen playback on the camera but it's less fluid to control and small imagery for my aging eyeballs.

Thanks also for the V1 pointer. Hadn't found that -- as you say, looks very economical. I notice also that their site offers a USB "webcam" style camera that can do 100FPS -- that doesn't sound like a lot but combined with apparently very VERY fast shutter speeds that rate might be enough to see most of what counts(?). $800 though.

I also saw similar camera performance claims here: http://www.golfcoachsystems.com/stor...undles.htm.php for perhaps a shade less cash. I wonder what the experts think of using this type of camera versus the regular cameras that capture footage that you download later. Seems like the latter would be needed anyway if you are filming pro's at a tournament but the webcam deals might work better for instant playback on court for coaching scenarios??

I've also been playing with a demo of Motion Pro (http://www.motionprosoftware.com/) -- one of the attractions to me there is that it seems to have a hands off mode where you can set the software to cycle between recording and playback -- set it into record, hit a shot or two, stop and review on the laptop, rinse repeat. I was thinking about that as a means to taking the download/card shuffling element out of the mix to get more time hitting and reviewing per unit wall clock time (if you see what I mean).

Anyone have experience or comment on trying to use webcam type cameras with capture/playback software as a useful self-coaching thing??

[FWIW, I'm a tech industry person by day so all the camera/computer stuff is easy for me and I have access to useful toys in that regard. It's the tennis part that's the tricky bit for me!! I'm definitely more "mechanic" than "magician" being an engineer by training -- hence my fascination with this topic ]