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  • jasonfrausto
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    Originally posted by licensedcoach View Post
    Thanks, jasonfrausto...interesting finds you had there.

    Makes you dizzy reading the specs of cameras all day as I have for two days now. I am now erring towards tennis_chiro's suggestion in a previous thread of the JVC GC-PX100. It isn't cheap but promises to be good in low light conditions. It has an excellent zoom and a wide angle lens. It shoots high speed at 600fps.

    It scores very high in most reviews and seems built for the sports market.

    I'll just have to take a couple of strong paracetamol before writing the check.

    http://www.extak.com/catalog/118674/...oogle_shopping
    Coach,

    I hear ya! I've been looking at cameras, camcorders, and phone specs trying to figure out what the best solution would be for high speed filming for awhile now. I need something to replace my old DV camcorder

    It definitely looks like the JVC GC-PX100 is the best solution under $1000. I went with the FH100 for portability, but I will be purchasing the JVC GC-PX100 in hopes of getting some nice footage at the Cincy masters in August.

    JVC GC-PX100 Footage below

    240FPS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxYJ0Gtea8U

    300FPS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5Fid5xOwiM

    600FPS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-7sA8H3lUk

    You can see the video degradation that takes place from 240FPS-600FPS, but it really seems like a remarkable camera for under $1000.

    John/Jeff,

    I'm not sure if the Samsung Galaxy Note II or Galaxy S4 have manual shutter controls, but for phones they certainly are stepping up the possibilities of high speed video. The two golf swing videos below are for the Galaxy Note II. It also has a 5.5 inch screen. The Galaxy Note III should be out this Fall. I've thought about buying the Note II but want to wait for the Note III.

    Golf Swing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw9e7yb0ow0

    Golf Swing 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paZ0h6VqgNU
    Last edited by jasonfrausto; 06-21-2013, 04:37 PM.

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  • johnyandell
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    Jason,

    What is the shutter speed on those?

    Stotty, Don,

    Same question for the JVC?

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  • stotty
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    Thanks, jasonfrausto...interesting finds you had there.

    Makes you dizzy reading the specs of cameras all day as I have for two days now. I am now erring towards tennis_chiro's suggestion in a previous thread of the JVC GC-PX100. It isn't cheap but promises to be good in low light conditions. It has an excellent zoom and a wide angle lens. It shoots high speed at 600fps.

    It scores very high in most reviews and seems built for the sports market.

    I'll just have to take a couple of strong paracetamol before writing the check.

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  • jeffreycounts
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    Originally posted by jasonfrausto View Post
    And although there is probably no manual shutter speed controls, both the Samsung Galaxy Note II and the Galaxy S4 have slow motion video capabilities at 120fps I believe.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TClc8e0dhoQ
    Wow that's crazy!!

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  • jasonfrausto
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    Originally posted by licensedcoach View Post
    I'll phone tomorrow and check it out. The Hero 3 is the relatively new upgrade to the Hero 2...so it may have changed....will post tomorrow.
    And although there is probably no manual shutter speed controls, both the Samsung Galaxy Note II and the Galaxy S4 have slow motion video capabilities at 120fps I believe.



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  • DougEng
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    Originally posted by licensedcoach View Post
    I'll phone tomorrow and check it out. The Hero 3 is the relatively new upgrade to the Hero 2...so it may have changed....will post tomorrow.
    Gopro Hero 3 is 240 fps at I think maybe 800x480. No zoom so you need to be close to the subject. But beautiful quality shooting. I almost used it for scuba diving a few weeks ago.

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  • lobndropshot
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    Originally posted by licensedcoach View Post
    I phoned today and they said it was 240 but only at the wide angle setting...which leads me to believe I asked the wrong question on your behalf. Are you saying you thought the max shutter speed when the camera is working at high speed is 1/250?

    Mind bending some of these specifications for cameras. And it's bloody hard work trying to find the right one for tennis where you need one to work well under floodlights.

    A lot of makers of the latest camcorders seem to be boasting their equipments can produce good quality video in poor light using the auto shutter speed. Can we hold them to their word? If you frequent the camcorders forums everyone is trying to purchase the older Casio's. But if you buy an older Casio you miss out on all the lovely new features the latest models have...like taking a burst of photos in one second...that would handy.

    There seems to be a market for manual shutter speed for sports use, but it obviously can't be a big enough market because none of the manufacturer's seems keen to fill it.

    I found the JVC Adixxion - GC-XA1 - Action Camera and am swatting up on that now. Waterproof seems handy...rains a lot here in the UK.

    I may go for the Hero 3, though, because short battery life isn't an issue as I rarely film for over an hour. They have taken care of the freezing issue their software, too.

    I'll keep searching in the mean time...

    Here's a clip using a Go Pro Hero camera using the wide angle feature...filming an indoor game. It's a little fisheye...other than that it shoots well. My camera wouldn't be able to do this. The picture would be very grainy and fairly unwatchable.



    Here's an outdoor clip of a tennis game..



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rePJgtNXGQ
    The Wash Park courts are where I learned to play!!!

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  • stotty
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    Originally posted by johnyandell View Post
    I think the max shutter is the high speed frame rate of 250--so 1/250. That was the one I looked at a while ago...correct me please if it's changed or I had it wrong...
    I phoned today and they said it was 240 but only at the wide angle setting...which leads me to believe I asked the wrong question on your behalf. Are you saying you thought the max shutter speed when the camera is working at high speed is 1/250?

    Mind bending some of these specifications for cameras. And it's bloody hard work trying to find the right one for tennis where you need one to work well under floodlights.

    A lot of makers of the latest camcorders seem to be boasting their equipment can produce good quality video in poor light using the auto shutter speed. Can we hold them to their word? If you frequent the camcorders forums, everyone is trying to purchase the older Casio's. But if you buy an older Casio you miss out on all the lovely new features the latest models have...like taking a burst of photos in one second...that would handy.

    There seems to be a market for manual shutter speed camera's for use in sport, but it obviously isn't a big enough market because none of the manufacturer's seem keen to fill it.

    I found the JVC Adixxion - GC-XA1 - Action Camera and am swatting up on that now. Waterproof seems handy...rains a lot here in the UK.

    I may go for the Hero 3, though, because short battery life isn't an issue as I rarely film for over an hour. They have taken care of the freezing issue their software, too.

    I'll keep searching in the mean time...

    Here's a clip using a Go Pro Hero camera using the wide angle feature...filming an indoor game. It's a little fisheye...other than that it shoots well. My camera wouldn't be able to do this. The picture would be very grainy and fairly unwatchable.



    Here's an outdoor clip of a tennis game..



    Last edited by stotty; 06-20-2013, 02:45 PM.

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  • stotty
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    Originally posted by johnyandell View Post
    I think the max shutter is the high speed frame rate of 250--so 1/250. That was the one I looked at a while ago...correct me please if it's changed or I had it wrong...
    I'll phone tomorrow and check it out. The Hero 3 is the relatively new upgrade to the Hero 2...so it may have changed....will post tomorrow.

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  • johnyandell
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    I think the max shutter is the high speed frame rate of 250--so 1/250. That was the one I looked at a while ago...correct me please if it's changed or I had it wrong...

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  • jasonfrausto
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    Originally posted by licensedcoach View Post
    This camera is interesting because the top end version is designed to work well in low light. It also has a manual shutter.



    An LCD clip-on is required for instant video playback. And slow motion is achieved through the software rather than the camera.

    I am considering this camera because much of my coaching is done under floodlight. When I phoned and spoke to support, they assured me this camera conquers this problem.

    It has a wide angled lens...150 degrees at it's maximum.

    Interesting...thoughts anyone?
    Average Amazon review is 3/5 stars.



    I looked at it previously and decided to pass based on the user reviews. Many of the reviews complained of a very short battery life with the camera.

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  • stotty
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    Go Pro Hero 3

    This camera is interesting because the top end version is designed to work well in low light. It also has a manual shutter.



    An LCD clip-on is required for instant video playback. And slow motion is achieved through the software rather than the camera.

    I am considering this camera because much of my coaching is done under floodlight. When I phoned and spoke to support, they assured me this camera conquers this problem.

    It has a wide angled lens...150 degrees at it's maximum.

    Interesting...thoughts anyone?

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  • jasonfrausto
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    I think we all appreciate you taking the time to contact Casio on this issue. The hunt continues.....

    Edit: Bit the bullet and bought the FH100 for $435 on Ebay. Looks like prices are just shy of $500 for most of the auctions on used versions of this model.
    Last edited by jasonfrausto; 06-18-2013, 06:07 PM.

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  • johnyandell
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    None of there current cameras...unfortunately!!!

    Good research Stotty!

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  • stotty
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    Manual shutter speed

    Re the EX-ZR700

    I wrote to Casio to ask them what the camera was like shooting high speed video in artificial light and fading daylight. Rather than me explain things, I am posting their actual reply to me. I have also written to them asking if any of their camera's have the option of a manual shutter.

    See below:

    No, the camera does not has manual shutter speed for the video recording.

    Note the following points when shooting a HS video.

    • The higher the frame rate (speed), the more lighting is required when shooting. When shooting a high speed movie, shoot in a well-lit environment.

    • When recording certain types of movies, the image that appears on the monitor screen may be smaller than normal. When recording a high speed movie, there are black bands along the top, bottom, left, and right of the screen.

    • When recording a high speed movie, light source flicker can cause horizontal bands to appear in the image. This does not indicate malfunction of the camera.

    * Though it is hard to detect with the human eye, fluorescent lighting and certain other light sources actually flicker. This can cause horizontal bands in images, flickering of images, and other problems. If this happens, try shooting under natural sunlight or some other light source.

    • During high speed movie recording, Auto Focus and exposure remain fixed at the levels they were when you initially started recording. Zoom and monitor screen content switching are all disabled.

    • To focus the image, half-press the shutter button for Auto Focus or focus manually before starting the high speed movie recording operation.

    ************************************************** ***********

    Casio have since replied and stated NONE of their high speed camera's are equipped with a manual shutter for video use...only for photos. So no good for John.
    Last edited by stotty; 06-18-2013, 06:30 AM.

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